Not having worked with a group of teens before, I worry that some may become bored or even disruptive. I’m not sure how many students might be present. I assume that many of the students will have mobile devices and may be more interested in chatting with friends, playing games and watching videos than participating in discussions.
If you can find a way to make them feel like they're really a part of the group, that may help keep them engaged. Your idea to have them give presentations is helpful in that regard. One of the professors where I work (art department at a university) has his students share a video they like for the first assignment. It doesn't matter what it is, just that they like it and can talk about why they like it. He said it makes them feel like things they like can be art, even if it's a silly TikTok video (and he added that kids on TikTok may not realize it, but some of the really good ones have absorbed a lot of filmmaking techniques from watching movies, which is useful for discussions). So maybe have them present on something they like that's related to computers somehow (keep it as broad or vague as you like to allow for interpretation of the assignment), and ask them questions, and let them ask questions. I think they'll want to feel like their ideas/likes/feelings are valid. I think having them figure out group projects on their own (so they can work on stuff they like/with people they like) would help engage them as well.
As far as wanting to talk and do non-the stuff you're trying to share part of it goes, my attitude might be to let them do it as long as they're not being disruptive. You can't really know what they're going through in school or at home, or even went through that day. They might just want a place to feel safe and hang out for a little while. At one point I was tutoring convicts who were about to be released so they could get their GEDs before they had to try to find work. Even though that was an important thing for them, the person in charge of the facility told me that some nights they'd just want someone to talk to, and if that was the case, to be that person. (I'm obviously not saying these kids are convicts, but I thought that the advice to go with the flow in that setting was helpful.)
Aside from that, most of the teaching stuff I've done with teens has been through schools or libraries, so they either were there voluntarily for a one-off event, or their teachers were there to pounce on them if they acted up. But one of the first times I went into a school to talk about writing, it was a really small class, and the kids were super tuned-in and had a lot of questions, and I had a really good time with them. When I left, their teacher walked me out, and said she'd never seen them so interested and attentive. It turns out that was the class for kids with behavior problems, but because I just sat right down with them, started talking, and let them ask questions when they had them, it was an exciting and novel experience.
Hi @Nixlim, welcome. Yes, people use this.
Hi everyone! I'm sorry for the minimal presence so far on #SSB, but I'm just getting my bearings.
I'm in my 40s; I was formerly a technology entrepreneur but now I've retired and I'm instead mostly a middle school robotics and technology teacher. I teach unconventional classes not typically offered to teens and tweens: computer architecture, microprocessor design, deep learning, spacecraft systems engineering, etc.
I grew up on the early 90s internet, enjoying the pseudo-decentralization and eclectic nature of Usenet and IRC, and I wax nostalgic for when we all saw such infinite possibility for the social systems and ideas that would spring from a world connected by technology.
I know about distributed systems and networks and high performance systems. I'm in the progress of #ssb-learning and hope that this is a place I grow to feel comfortable and ultimately contribute to #ssb-dev. I am a skeptic, so it will take some time to convince myself that this all is "real", but so far I see some evidence of that renegade spirit here.
Of course, I have big technical concerns. Big adoption model and onboarding concerns, too, based on my experience so far. But I'm hoping that it's all tractable. It's certainly interesting, if nothing else!
@immalittleteabag hmm,,, I don't really know to be honest. It was a while ago. I think it'd probably be understanding scuttlebutt a bit more. Still don't understand it that well though.
Welcome! I'm the same,, tried it out a while ago but didn't do much with it. This time has seemed to go better though. Good luck!
wanted to see what the jazz was about.
that "Rabbit Jazz" fake album cover I periodically post
I didn't say it was a helpful clue.
@quin welcome to the right side of the internet =)
comment at will, follow people at will, like at will, gatecrash any party here, it's ok.
Welcome to the scuttleverse @quin!
I also started with spaghetti when I stopped eating meat. Check out
#madefromscratch channels for more recipes. Can I suggest getting an electric pressure cooker (Instapots are nice)? They make making beans, pulses and soups super low effort. Just throw in the cut up ingredients, add water, set the timer and come back when the pressure valve has released itself. Also, don't shy away from nuts and nut butters...they are full of healthy oils and protein.
As far as philosophy goes, have you read any Ivan Illich? Despite his roots in theology, I find his arguments about humanity and the monopolies that technology places on it exceedingly interesting. Specially the book, Tools for Conviviality.
The Listening Society by Hanzi Freinacht, Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta, and David Graeber's new book The Dawn of Everything have been inspiring reads that a few of us here are enjoying.
Welcome, and see you there.
Welcome. I too am an IT guy. My specialty, which you'll see if you check my posting history, is currently hating my job and everyone in it. But this shall pass. Be not afraid! (And feel free to join in the complaining if you need to vent.)
Doing well, thanks!
What kind of lists are you interested in?
Trackers are rad cars @S0ur_Patch .
I also follow a lot of people and a few pubs and don't see any griefers or trolls in my public feed. Altho I also block people when my friends do, so that probably helps a lot.
There's discourse over whether or not it makes sense to continue following pubs (and when).
Pubs act more or less just like normal users -- which is to say that they follow people, and are followed, and transmit posts from the users they follow to the users that follow them. They are online 24/7, and some users are not, but a lot of users... are. The problem with pubs is that most pubs are open -- they will follow anybody who requests it -- and so the only way to have posts on your timeline that aren't from friends or friends-of-friends is to follow a pub. This is very useful for onboarding, but opens up the door to trolls and griefers showing up unbidden.
A lot of first-gen users recommend following a pub until you develop a robust network of people you're following, and then unfollow those pubs. There are enough users who keep sbotd running in the background all the time (and the graph is densely connected enough) that you're generally not going to miss messages that way (though maybe, in borderline cases, they might arrive a bit late).
I do not do this. I keep my ssb client open all the time, and I follow dozens of pubs. But, I don't vibe much with the "less content but of higher quality" part of the SSB experience and my main complaint about it is that my newsfeed moves pretty slow, so that's sort of why. (I also follow eight thousand people on twitter but find that too slow-moving, so I guess I'm abnormal.) Anyway, if you're like me, you can do that too.
When I was younger, a friend of mine got his uncle's Geo Tracker. We all thought it was the coolest thing in the world. Nothing felt more exhilarating than driving essentially a lawnmower engine strapped to an elevated golf cart on a highway. But god dammit, I still love that car.
I believe the response the judges were looking for was "whatever."
However, since the judges are also Gen X, they said "whatever" long before this was even a contest, so you win . . . A NEW CAR!
a 1992 Geo Metro convertible, the greatest car of the 90s
@bobhaugen Thanks for the recommendation.
I've always enjoyed learning, and learning about languages (human and computer). Looking forward to listening to these podcasts.
I’m Gen X (though I hate the term
I'm GenX. I don't care about the term. I think this makes me a cliché.
in case it wasn't clear, the use of "boomer" above was intended as an off-hand marker for a certain type of online written form—hope nobody was excessively annoyed with its employed use ':)
for an example of what i mean, i sketched out a joke-laden (tho somewhat representative and pre-Because Internet very confusing to interpret) example in %xZksLfc... based on epk's post :)
As an ellipsis aficionado, thanks for the consideration.
We love to put people in buckets, makes it easier to classify them and sell them shit. This recent New Yorker piece is very apropos.
It’s Time to Stop Talking About “Generations”
boomers: pretty much built the society, roads, infra. Meet them at old people's homes or graveyards. nothing they say is relevant anymore.
genx: pretty much stole what the boomers built and try to keep feeling clever about themselves with ailing health. Meet them at a rolling stones concerts, hospitals, executive boards of what-have-you.
post genx: uber drivers, wolt people, unpaid interns at some blockchain scam startup funded by a genX'r. clueless about how society works. meet them at dole office queues, welfare and homeless camps.
converting your post to boomerspeak in 3... 2... 1.... @epk
I’m Gen X (though I hate the term... but for purposes of the discussion let’s use it..) and I know I use ellipses a fair amount.. Or . . . enough to make me self-conscious about it now.. (I guess that was pondering right there... maybe...? Comic timing..?) I hope I haven’t unintentionally cheesed off anyone younger than me... which is more and more people every day.. 😿
this reads as COMPLETELY different to me than what you originally wrote (so.. no need to be self-conscious at all imo!!)
Reminds me of the book Under the Mountain
huh they made a movie which got terrible ratings ... tv series from the 80s got decent ratings
I think How to Do Nothing went around SSB a while back, but I've now been inspired to put a hold on it at the library and add it to my big to be read pile.
Also, welcome to the Scuttleverse @xelle!
Trade up and start using the em dashes instead of the ellipses—way better for comedic timing. Maybe. I don't know.
I'm Gen X (though I hate the term, but for purposes of the discussion let's use it!) and I know I use ellipses a fair amount. Or . . . enough to make me self-conscious about it now! (I guess that was pondering right there, maybe? Comic timing?) I hope I haven't unintentionally cheesed off anyone younger than me, which is more and more people every day. 😿
Gretchen McCulloch is one of my faves, too. I ran into her first in the fediverse, where she has at least two identities. @email@example.com seems to be the main one.
See also https://gretchenmcculloch.com/ and https://gretchenmcculloch.com/podcast/
Because Internet opened up my eyes to interpreting boomers in a more charitable way online! basically: replace each
... with a newline; it's a sentence/phrase separator, and not the very emotionally loaded symbol i'm used to it being (e.g pondering / trailing off / containing sarcasm / lack of enthusiasm / whatever else it also is)
And one more book enters our house . . .
But Powell's has a used copy for $10, which may be worth getting because 1. I can read it without an internet connection, 2. this sounds like something I may want to take notes in.
Oho! It turns out I have online access to Because Internet through work. There may be a million things I hate about my job, but the library is not one of them.
Ooh, I may have to check this out.
I don't remember exactly how I learned about SSB (I assume I was led to it via my never ending self-hosting rabbithole somehow), but I only read How To Do Nothing after I was already here and it would get mentioned as what led people to SSB. And once I read it, I realized I already knew about Jenny Odell to a degree, because I keep a bookmarks folder called "kindred spirits" for sites I come across that are about stuff I wish I thought of, or things that are on my wavelength. With her, I had stumbled across a site about her project where she cataloged stuff that wound up in the San Francisco dump.
Then I read it, and now I'm actually reading it again, since I'm back to commuting via train, which has reading time built in (partly because the wifi on train is crap, because the cellular signal through about half the route is crap). She also inspired me to get more into birding at the start of the pandemic, but that has come and gone in waves. (And I have to give some credit to my former therapist, who was an avid birder and used to answer all my bird questions long before the pandemic gave me plenty of time to look out the window and wander around thinking about birds.)
If you’re willing to share, I’m keen to hear more about how SSB was talked about as a digital space in the context of teaching psychology ✨
Hi @xelle - welcome! 👋
If you're willing to share, I'm keen to hear more about how SSB was talked about as a digital space in the context of teaching psychology ✨
Sometimes it's just about planting your own seeds or doing a bit of a dive into the #'s to see if any of your interests may have popped up from others. People are also generally comfortable jumping back into a topic or post that you may want to revive or reply to, even though it is months (or years) old which is refreshing from some other places where it's a battle that the more recent topic must prevail.
Don't sweat it. Have fun. See you out there.
How did I miss the part about you learning about SSB in a class? What class is it? That's very cool.
At one point, my entire website was Flash, though a friend did most of it for me. I took an Actionscript class in like 2015 that is maybe more or less obsolete (though Adobe Animator, or whatever they call it now, still uses a lot of the sam concepts).
I do remember it! It was Circus Circus, and I was a little resistant to going there because that's the name of a casino in the US, and that irritated me. But the food in general was good, and the cake was great. There were a lot of interesting little shops in the area, and I think we had stopped to walk around, and then got lunch since we knew we would be lingering at the airport for a while and didn't want to be hangry.
Welcome to the scuttlevere @utdemir!
We didn't get to spend too much time in Auckland, as it was the last part of our visit (back in 2019), but we did get to check out this view. (I also had the best piece of chocolate cake of the whole trip there, just an hour or so before had to leave for the airport.)
Oh, and welcome!
Oooh found the link, this is a nice usenet server. Also Reddit2NNTP is quite nice too, and sic.pm has a usenet interface.
I still use Usenet. It's pretty cool. You just need to pick your servers, communities, how you use it etc.
Welcome! This place is what you make of it. Hope you enjoy it!
Immediately commenting to prove necroing is a-ok 💯
Sorry I missed the chance to say welcome, but welcome!
I've wanted to check out SSB for a while and finally decided to take a week off the web and explore alternatives instead. Work means I can't be completely off the web, but outside of it I'm trying to actively avoid using it.
This means I'm spending lots of time one SSB, #Gemini and #Gopher right now. I'm using Patchwork which I've found really nice and GemiNaut which is also pretty good for Windows 10. I haven't got these set up on other boxes.
My main computer is a Commodore #Amiga 4000 but I also use #OpenBSD, #Linux and #MacOS too on more modern kit. I'm an amateur radio enthusiast with an interest in #shortwave dxing, #satcom, resilient infrastructureless networks like #meshtastic and more. I write https://thedorkweb.substack.com/ on the web, but I'm looking at republishing on less intensive platforms to provide a lower impact access method of reading my stuff.
I also like repairing old tech and designing electronics which is like doing magic with crystals and poisoned sand. Nice to meet you all!
Yes IRC is certainly around and going strong - I'm on Libera.Chat running #gadgeteerza
archaeologist of the future: excuse my typo(s)
Tilde.club has a news server open to anyone.
If you like doing things like writing offline, logging in to upload new stuff, download new stuff, and then diconnecting, SSB may be a good fit. (But you can also leave it on all day if you want to get really wild!)
That's sometimes my email signature:
Welcome to the scuttle-puddle @cc.
The concept of programmer arcaelogist has always fascinated me since coming across the term in a Vernor Vinge novel, A Deepness in the Sky, I believe.
same for me :-)
Hope you people are still around.
welcome to the scuttleverse @Aurelie (Laptop)
trawling the conceptart channel and couldn't resist the opp to echo some Spirited Away love (which I think yours is from? Has reminiscence anyways)
hey, welcome @rb :) any new music finds you'd be willing to recommend to another butt in the 'verse?
Belated welcome @whodini
And there is a ready appreciation here of non-technical posts......so be in.......)
~Aurelie (Laptop) -- welcome aboard! It's quite a bit what you make of it and there's no need for a one-size-fits-all approach. All the best!
Greetings, @Aurelie (Laptop)!
Hi @Samokhin Alex,
Welcome aboard! I showed up one day and never left. Why break a rut™?
Welcome. See you out there.
If you follow channels that interest you, it's a pretty good way to find fellow butts who pick up what you put down, if you dig what I mean.
If you're on Patchwork, these are the things that look like hashtags in the top left.
If you're not on Patchwork, I'm not entirely sure where they are, as most of my butt activity is Patchwork-based, though I do check in on Manyverse when I'm not on my laptop.